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Someone should add Immortal or Deity classes
MPA:
Since the system is basedon D20 I am guessing it would have to be Deities, although it would be great if there were a retro game using the D&D rules. Then an immortal class would be excellent.
So where are the engineers and mod makers to make this happen?
ThE LoSt BoY:
Have you seen the NWN base class uber builds?
http://nwnecbguild.44.forumer.com/bioware-legacy-builds-f60574.html
Then add PRC uber-ness: dual-progression casting (MystTheurge, Cerebro-mancer, etc.), uber casters (Red Wiz, Runecaster), Epic Spells (Epic Spell Reflect, TKill Wind, Army Unfall, Cont Res), uber spells (Starmantle, et. al.), max BAB casters with big bonus feats (EldKni, Hosp), Invoker (WL + WL Prestige) classes, Lich class, demilich templates, uber races, uber feats (Prac Cast, TW Rend), Psionics + Alternative systems.
Would recommend taking some of the above for a test drive before trying to code an immortal class or two.
Is there a boss crit that an uber PRC build can't defeat or compete with?
ThE LoSt BoY:
Bozo-ware did that and called it the "monk."
Best saves? Check.
Lowest difference between attacks (3 v. fighter 5)? Check.
Most melee attacks w/o TWF / Tempest type builds? Check.
More unarmed damage than melee weapons (2d10 @ L20)? Check.
Free Cleave to get an extra attack w/o burning a feat? Check.
Best skills (Discipline, Tumble)? Check.
Uber SR that is hardwired (can't be reduced even w/ Mord's D) into NWN? Check. Thanks, Bozo-ware!
Max SR so high that only a few caster builds can bypass 100%? Check.
Multiple abilities that add to AC? Check.
AC that a fighter needs a 20 to hit? Check.
Primary AC bonus type (Dodge) that stacks (while all other types don't?) Check.
Free level based AC bonus? Check.
Free Improved Evasion to take 0 damage 95% of time to Evocation spells? Check.
Free Deflect Arrows (95% change to avoid 1 missile / round)? Check.
Easy access to Epic Dodge (opp's first attack always misses)? Check.
Free Imp K-down to always K-down mages? Check.
Free disease / poison immunity? Check.
Free 50% concealment? Check.
Fastest movement in the game? Check.
Uber-items tailor made for class (Boots of uber Dodge, Gauntlets of uber damage)? Check.
Shalvan:
--- Quote from: ThE LoSt BoY on February 14, 2017, 03:49:46 PM ---Bozo-ware did that and called it the "monk."
Best saves? Check.
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True.
--- Quote ---Lowest difference between attacks (3 v. fighter 5)? Check.
Most melee attacks w/o TWF / Tempest type builds? Check.
--- End quote ---
Whatever. If you want a lot of attacks you do go twf or natural weapons. Last attacks won't connect a high AC target anyway.
--- Quote ---More unarmed damage than melee weapons (2d10 @ L20)? Check.
--- End quote ---
As if weapon damage was a big factor in the total damage at high levels. Crit is still 20/x2. Unarmed strike
--- Quote ---Free Cleave to get an extra attack w/o burning a feat? Check.
--- End quote ---
That's just one free feat that's not broken, just useful. OMG ranger gets free ambidex and TWF! ;P
--- Quote ---Best skills (Discipline, Tumble)? Check.
--- End quote ---
UMD is better, spellcraft is great. Tumble and discipline are great skills though.
--- Quote ---Uber SR that is hardwired (can't be reduced even w/ Mord's D) into NWN? Check. Thanks, Bozo-ware!
Max SR so high that only a few caster builds can bypass 100%? Check.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, that's OP. But requires a heeeaaaaavy investment in monk levels.
--- Quote ---Multiple abilities that add to AC? Check.
--- End quote ---
Multiple? I thought it's just one. Still very strong though. Splashability is of a big concern here though.
--- Quote ---AC that a fighter needs a 20 to hit? Check.
--- End quote ---
Everyone knows that fighter is a weak class. If you build your char for high AB you will be able to hit. Pure monk can have huge AC though, since he can boost both dex and wis. No uncanny dodge though.
--- Quote ---Primary AC bonus type (Dodge) that stacks (while all other types don't?) Check.
Free level based AC bonus? Check.
--- End quote ---
The class wouldn't function without it I think. And you need to invest a lot of levels into the latter. Levels which don't increase your casting or other abilities.
--- Quote ---Free Improved Evasion to take 0 damage 95% of time to Evocation spells? Check.
Free Deflect Arrows (95% change to avoid 1 missile / round)? Check.
--- End quote ---
Imp Evasion is great, still accessible through other classes. And it's not free. It costs 9 levels. Deflect arrows is stupid because the DC is a flat 20.
--- Quote ---Easy access to Epic Dodge (opp's first attack always misses)? Check.
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Having to multiclass and increase a secondary is not that easy. Rogue has much easier access to it.
--- Quote ---Free Imp K-down to always K-down mages? Check.
--- End quote ---
Try to hit a buffed mage with k-down...
--- Quote ---Free disease / poison immunity? Check.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---meh
Free 50% concealment? Check.
--- End quote ---
Strong.
--- Quote ---Fastest movement in the game? Check.
--- End quote ---
Kinda meh, but can often be useful
--- Quote ---Uber-items tailor made for class (Boots of uber Dodge, Gauntlets of uber damage)? Check.
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UMD. The gauntlets I saw were usually meh. Boots of Sun Soul are great. Other classes also have items designed for them...
For some reason monk is considered tier 5 in pnp. In NWN this is a great class with insane splash and multiclass potential, but it's far from a "god".
ThE LoSt BoY:
Coulda swore that was coming out:
http://prc.athasreborn.com/index.php/topic,1376.0.html
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