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Title: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on May 29, 2012, 02:38:34 AM
I already know the Hierophant presige classes, but which are the other options for a divine spellcaster?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on May 29, 2012, 04:04:03 PM
My favourite PrCs for divine spellcasters are:
Sacred Fist
Hospitaler
Master of Shrouds
Mystic Theurge ;p

There are over 20 prestige classes with full divine spellcasting progression (+ about 10 with 1/2 progression) so the PrC choice for divine casters is rather wide.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on May 30, 2012, 02:56:33 AM
the one most similar to red wizard of thay, shadow adept and archmage?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: malonkey1 on May 30, 2012, 07:07:02 AM
Well, Hierophant is most similar to Archmage, and I'm pretty sure divine casters can become Shadow Adepts...not sure on Red Wizard.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on May 30, 2012, 07:25:44 AM
no to both. but I mean classes similar to those in terms of functionality :D
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on May 30, 2012, 07:37:09 AM
no to both. but I mean classes similar to those in terms of functionality :D

I don't think any of them are like RWoT.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on May 30, 2012, 07:40:53 AM
Runecaster has a bonus to spell DC depending on level - so this is one similarity to Red Wizard.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on May 30, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
Runecaster has a bonus to spell DC depending on level - so this is one similarity to Red Wizard.

Good point.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Mindflayer on May 30, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
Runecaster/Hierophant is quite an awesome build, especially with some of the domains that add spells like Disintegrate or Wail of the Banshee to your spell list or if you just start with an Archivist and have almost all spells available to you.

If only the epic bonus feat list of the Runecaster wasn't so bad. I always end up having to take a couple of epic toughness feats because I run out of epic spell focus feats (even non-bonus feats are somewhat broken for him, he can only choose Spell Focus: Cold or greater spell focus so I need to take all regular spell focus feats on my non-runecaster levels/before epic levels). I wish you had just added Great Intelligence and Great Wisdom to that list to make up for the dozen epic feats that he could choose but that aren't in the PRC.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on May 30, 2012, 11:40:58 AM
I was checking epic progression for Runecaster (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20020712a) and he doesn't get any Great Wisdom feats.

OTOH Red wizards also don't get any great whatever feats in PnP, but they get Great Intelligence in PRC.

I geuss I could edit bonus feat list for runecaster ;)

Also Hierophants in D&D 3.5 work a bit different than in 3.0 - they get caster level bonus instead of spell DC bonus. I hope to convert the class to 3.5 rules someday ;p
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Mindflayer on May 31, 2012, 11:09:11 AM
I was checking epic progression for Runecaster (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20020712a) and he doesn't get any Great Wisdom feats.

OTOH Red wizards also don't get any great whatever feats in PnP, but they get Great Intelligence in PRC.

I geuss I could edit bonus feat list for runecaster ;)

That would be awesome. The epic bonus feat list is quite pathetic as it is now, especially for a class that gets so many.

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Also Hierophants in D&D 3.5 work a bit different than in 3.0 - they get caster level bonus instead of spell DC bonus. I hope to convert the class to 3.5 rules someday ;p

Yeah, I read that before. It would make the class much worse but it doesn't make sense that the Archmage is that much less powerful than its divine counterpart.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: ThE LoSt BoY on June 01, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
A slightly out of data (3.1 Manual) database of prestige class casters is here: http://prc.athasreborn.com/index.php?topic=237.0 (http://prc.athasreborn.com/index.php?topic=237.0)

Also has racial bonuses, etc. Even Strat thought it was cool.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 02, 2012, 02:36:23 AM
would love to get an updated hierophant!
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 06, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
I can't find the Darkbolt spells and Call lightning, am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on June 07, 2012, 02:41:08 AM
I can't find the Darkbolt spells and Call lightning, am I doing something wrong?
It depands. Where do you search?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 07, 2012, 10:41:46 AM
manual and divie (cleric) spell list
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Calirion on June 07, 2012, 09:30:14 PM
I can't find the Darkbolt spells and Call lightning, am I doing something wrong?

I'm not sure about darkbolt, but I think call lightning is a Druid spell.  I didn't think about it because I so often played an air domain cleric (call lightning is on the domain spell list).  I too realized I didn't have it when I played a cleric without air domain, but I noticed it when I was playing a Druid.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 08, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
ah, thank you :D
maybe darkbolt is arcane-only? I still can't find it in the manual..
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on June 08, 2012, 05:24:47 PM
Did it get removed maybe?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on June 08, 2012, 06:02:50 PM
Darkbolt is Darkness Domain spell (it can also be cast by Archivist). I don't know why it wasn't added to the manual.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 09, 2012, 10:20:15 AM
thanks :D is it available to arcane spellcasters as well?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: xwarren on June 09, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Darkbolt is Darkness Domain spell (it can also be cast by Archivist). I don't know why it wasn't added to the manual.

thanks :D is it available to arcane spellcasters as well?
Yes, but only for those that can select Darkness domain ;p
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 19, 2012, 09:07:42 AM
why not making some pnp changes directly in the prc, rather than switches?
like the time stop duration switch..
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on June 19, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
why not making some pnp changes directly in the prc, rather than switches?
like the time stop duration switch..

Because some people want to play the game with the Bioware rules?  Why would we want to reduce options, especially when the system is already in place & working?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 19, 2012, 05:45:35 PM
I just wondered :P you are very faithful with rules that seemed an odd thing.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 20, 2012, 03:48:33 AM
what would be the issues of forcing standard spellbooks for a class like Archivist?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on June 20, 2012, 07:35:02 AM
what would be the issues of forcing standard spellbooks for a class like Archivist?

Standard as in Bioware spellbooks?  Can't be done without the source code for NWN.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 20, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
I mean the option of disabling custom spellbooks. that would forfeit the spellcasting part of the class entirely, right?
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: DM Heatstroke on June 20, 2012, 03:01:51 PM
I mean the option of disabling custom spellbooks. that would forfeit the spellcasting part of the class entirely, right?

That only works on classes that have both spellbooks as an option, i.e. sorcerers, bards, etc.  As soon as you take that 1st archmage lvl as a sorcerer, you get to re-pick all of your spells & use the new PRC spellbook.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Calirion on June 20, 2012, 03:10:47 PM
I mean the option of disabling custom spellbooks. that would forfeit the spellcasting part of the class entirely, right?
Out of curiosity, what would be the point of taking a spellcasting class and depriving it of spellcasting?  True non-caster classes have decent combat abilities.  The archivist's special abilities wouldn't be enough to compensate for low BAB, lack of heavy armor, etc.  It is only the spellcasting that keeps the class viable.
Title: Re: Divine spellcaster prestige builds
Post by: Dark_Ansem on June 20, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
Out of curiosity, what would be the point of taking a spellcasting class and depriving it of spellcasting?  True non-caster classes have decent combat abilities.  The archivist's special abilities wouldn't be enough to compensate for low BAB, lack of heavy armor, etc.  It is only the spellcasting that keeps the class viable.
no point at all. I wondered if the nwn spellbook worked.