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Author Topic: How does The Lost Boy's Mind Thayer build even work?  (Read 2509 times)

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August 11, 2021, 04:32:09 AM

I found an old post elsewhere describing the "Mind Thayer" build, being an Illithid Red Wizard of Thay here, and I have a few questions. First, is Level Adjustment and Racial Hit Dice still turned off by default in PRC, as I'd imagine they'd need to be disabled to play this build at all.. Secondly, what in Faerun is an "Illithid Betrayer" and how is he "human shifted"? I would love to give this build a try, but if I don't even know how to initially create it, I can't very well do that.


August 12, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
Reply #1

Don't know about LA & Racial HD - I only used them in my local modules. Never played on a PW or other. Pure L40 build using the level up command.

The RWoT was a human only class. Probably still is. I leveled up in RWoT as a human, then used the PRC Leto to change the racial feat scripts and char model from human to Illithid. I also had to modify the stats with the dm commands. The 'shifted' bit was a narrative that in order to study in the human only class, the Illithid would have to shape shift into human form.  Who else but a Betrayer would combine massive Mind Flayer racial intelligence with the RWoT + Archmage DC's & shift into a human to learn it?

The Frankenstein work was a fair PITA to execute, but a decent amount of fun in the end.

FYI, if you want to go the lich + demilich templates, apply the template before you change the racial scripts. Flayers are 'outsiders' and can't use the template for the EMT (Eternal Mind Thayer) build.

You may want to d-load the .bic files (base + lich template versions) and see if you think it would be fun. At least you can blast everything in your local modules.

On a PW, the best you can probably do is run a human, then get the lich template later. Note that the template boosts don't stack with items, so you'll have to make them permanent with PRC Leto or dm commands.
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August 12, 2021, 06:23:43 PM
Reply #2

I managed to find that the LA and Racial HD are in fact on by default, but can easily be switched off. I assume the "PRC Leto" is a character editor program? While the lich templates are humanoid only, I don't remember if the prestige class lich also is. I know d&d 3.5 had the illithilich, an illithid lich, so being able to take lich levels as an illithid would make sense.

I pretty much only play local modules, no PWs, so that wouldn't be an issue. Problem with downloading the .bic files is that the posts I've seen of the mind thayer are so old that the relevant download links are dead and 404s


August 12, 2021, 09:31:10 PM
Reply #3

The Lich class didn't have racial restrictions IIRC. The template - which was non Outsider humanoids only IIRC - has a slightly less stout DR than the class. However, the Epic spell Epic Warding offset the DR difference very well.

Sent you a message with the links to the Mind Thayer Necro (live Flayer), Eternal Mind Thayer (template Flayer) and Thayan Lich Necro (Lich class human).
Fermi was a Pyrokineticist